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         QuickCarl2K1 Groupie 
          
  
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           | Posted: December 14 2018 at 07:08 | IP Logged
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So I get an email today from SmartHome that they are having a BOGO sale on plugin modules - dimmers and 
 on/off plugins.
 
 These are the new version: smaller, square, etc.  So I'm interested.  
 
 In particular I'm interested because after spending THOUSANDS of dollars on Insteon equipment and 
 having, literally a huge box full of dead switches, and living in a with malfunctioning wall switches 
 for years, my wife would divorce me if I installed one more switch.  BUT, she's OK with a plugin module.
 
 So I click the link to see what the price of the 2 dimmer units are going to set me back.  To my 
 surprise, the Buy One Get One sale price for the two dimmer modules (or on/off) was $99.98!!!!  
 
   
 
 These people are trying to tell us that dimmer modules regularly sell for $99.99.  HOLY COW!  They've 
 lost their dang minds.  I've NEVER seen a plugin module of any kind that was priced at even $49.99, much 
 less $99.98.
 
 </rant>
 
 Come on PowerHome, bring on the Zwave!
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         TonyNo Moderator Group 
          
  
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           | Posted: December 14 2018 at 08:16 | IP Logged
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They mean two would normally be $99. ;)
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         QuickCarl2K1 Groupie 
          
  
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No, it specifically says that 2 would normally be twice that. The total price for 2 is $99.98...
 
 
 The price for the 2 was $99.98.  It has since been changed to 2 for $49.99.  Which still doesn't 
 seem a little high.  I'm thinking they should be priced at each $39.99 regularly.
 
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           | Posted: December 15 2018 at 15:34 | IP Logged
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Unfortunately, it seems as though the prices on Insteon have been increasing steadily. I remember buying KeypadLinc's in the $50.00 range but now they're 
 $80.00.
 
 
 
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         TonyNo Moderator Group 
          
  
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QuickCarl2K1 wrote: 
   
    
    
      
       No, it specifically says that 2 would normally be twice that. The total price for 2 is $99.98...
 
 
 The price for the 2 was $99.98.  It has since been changed to 2 for $49.99.  Which still doesn't 
 seem a little high.  I'm thinking they should be priced at each $39.99 regularly.
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 I think only the ill-fated Icon line was under $49.
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Smarthome has a terrible quality control problem. If you 
 take their junk apart you will find contaminated flux and 
 cracked solder joints and overheated components. It 
 appears they don't even know how to flow solder. I have 
 come close with the 2245-222 Insteon hub to re-flow but I 
 afraid some of the modules might be damaged. I've been 
 able to repair system boards from Acer but that is a 
 little different. I have also successfully re-flowed 
 older Iphones.
  __________________ Pete - X10 Oldie
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Although my experience with Insteon device's longevity 
 hasn't been exceptional, since I have installed a whole-
 house surge suppressor at my service panel things have 
 improved vastly. I believe that the small MOVs in the 
 modules are frequently the point of failure. With the 
 master surge suppressor absorbing the majority of spikes, 
 the local MOVs last much longer. I am not an electrical 
 engineer, but this seems to make sense to me.
 
 BTW, I took advantage of SmartHomes's BOGO sale and did 
 indeed end up getting 2477D's for ~$25. ea.
  Edited by Timmcd1 - January 04 2019 at 00:58
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having worked in consumer electronics myself I would mention that the markup BOM -> retail can be 4-5x.  So these $50 modules may have to have a BOM < $10, and a manufacturing cost of <$20.  And the volumes probably aren't very high (compared to, say game controllers or smartphones).  Also - SH is selling primarily to the commercial market where the sensitivity to price is lower for small quantities (and I'm sure they strike volume deals with builders for large quantities). Still - It's not their fault - they made a big push to crate a volume consumer market years ago (remember Icon modules?) but it didn't take - not sure if it was too complicated or too early.  Today a lot of people I work/socialize with now talk about home automation, and there's even an "appliance module" that talks to Alexa, but I say "Insteon" to anyone and still get a blank stare :-(
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I'm afraid I get the same blank stare with 
 regard to Insteon and it's unfortunate as, 
 IMHO,it is the best home automation 
 protocol out there, what with its dual 
 band implementation. I happen to pair 
 Insteon with Universal Devices ISY994i 
 device for an incomparable protocol-
 spanning solution.
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Timmcd1 wrote: 
   
    
    
      
       I'm afraid I 
 excavators/">get mini excavators very soon and the 
 same blank stare with regard to Insteon and it's 
 unfortunate as, 
 IMHO,it is the best home automation 
 protocol out there, what with its dual 
 band implementation. I happen to pair 
 Insteon with Universal Devices ISY994i 
 device for an incomparable protocol-
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 I've seen this happen numerous time. Companies or 
 vendors pump up the prices so they can display bigger 
 discounts. Such a scummy tactic.
  Edited by MaxwellRow - April 15 2024 at 04:33
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